track day at rfr

[Team Gorgonzola]

In reality, there are other GROUPS out there that split off from the SSA over the past and I don't see them being targeted anymore.

First, I am not targeting anyone, just responding to posts and stating my case.
Secondly no one else has gone after the SSA very existence with such a vengeance. Can't just sit idly and watch it happen....sorry

[jlavallee]

Jason, a lot of it is about how it all went down. The blaming, canceling dates, the unjust disrespectful treatment, constant bashing, and underhanded practices of the other group and finally, not allowing SSA to pursue it's own track days. I don't dispute that all of that is other people prerogative and choices. You label Jerome's walmart debacle, socialist agenda, [hardly] I call it "upholding standards and regard for the human condition above all, especially profits"....pretty dam remarkable if you ask me and something that should be taught in school, not stifled. Yet I respect your choice and opinion, I am not trying to ridicule it or make you look like an insignificant little men (be hard to do anyway LOL) because I don't like your point of view. What really piss me of, is when someone come on my board and tell me MY choice of not wanting anything to do with the local provider and RFRT, is silly or bs and I should get over it. Jason, I know you like the rational approach, but if there had been rationality in all of this, there wouldn't be another club and we would be doing track-days as we always have. Instead emotions dictates most human interactions so here we are. Talking about butt-hurt?? The other group wrote the book on that subject  

Alberto, I never anywhere said your choice was wrong; I actually defended your right to stand by your principals. I also am fully supportive of Jerome's decision to stand by his. What any supporter of our current disaster of a president believes is clearly that a socialist model is ideal. He is 100% within his right to believe that, just as a right wing zealot is within their rights to believe that being gay is a crime against God. I could argue that socialism has failed every time tried in history and to repeat the same thing over and over again expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.

Some Nazis believed that Jews were evil. What I am stating is that the examples given favor a particular viewpoint and while you're entitled to it, you don't have the right to force it on others. If a Nazi believed a Jew was evil, that is their right but acting on it and forcing their belief on someone else, that is where the problem resides.

Just because I believe that socialism is total BS I can't force that on anyone else. If people want communal living, healthcare etc. then fine, as long as I don't have to go into the pool against my will I'm good with that. It is when they want to tax me and make me part of something against my will where I have the problem.   

Going off topic farther but "upholding standards and regard for the human condition above all" is just another way of saying you believe something and you want to force it on others. I am not saying your position is wrong, but you can't force anyone to behave as you like. As long as they don't hurt you or force you to do something without free will. If you don't like Wal-Mart then by all means don't shop there. I play by the do onto others rule but I also respect the choice of others to make up their own mind. You might be of the belief that we are owed something from others but we are not. We are all free men who are owed nothing by this world nor do we owe anyone else. To say we owe is to say we are slaves. Does that mean we shouldn't help our fellow man? Of course not, but you CANNOT force that belief or indoctrinate others with that belief unless you don't believe in free will. Once you force your belief on others, they have every right to push back.

All I was trying to do was determine the specifics as to what was going on. If you had verbal contracts then sue or at least let that come out publicly. I've never had a problem with anyone in the Reno area riding community so I've no basis to draw any conclusions. It is abundantly clear to me that lots of people in the group have pre-conceived expectations about how business and the world should function. While I agree with and respect many of these, I also see the other side of the debate and believe in full liberty with the understanding that others may have a difference of opinion that they're entitled to. You state that there wouldn't be another group if there had been rational thought but again, there had to be a reason; they had a need that SSA wasn't fulfilling or something, maybe you just don't see it? SSA doesn't have rights to be the only rider club in the area. Look at the stunt riding clubs; I wouldn't be caught dead doing that but everybody has freedom of choice to choose what appeals to them. The thing for me is separation of what is hurt feelings on what members of the club "feel" they're entitled to and what was broken from a contract point of view. I'm not saying the "feeling" issues have no merit but that is a very personal decision for each person to weigh in on from their perspective while breach of contract is clear.

Because I personally find some of the viewpoints held by some members of the group as offensive and totalitarian, I won't arbitrarily lend my support without full disclosure of details because like you, I have principals and they dictate that I can't make a decision on hearsay.

I don't care to keep this going. Again, I have had no issues with any riders or clubs in the area. I hope we can all ride  safely and enjoy our sport. I don't doubt a lot of this comes down to how things happened. All I know is I have no good reason to take issue with anyone  that I am aware of yet and I haven't heard anyone tearing down the SSA but apparently I'm in the dark.

[Rick Bay (BRA)]

As a member, I like to read the good news and also the bad news of the Club of my heart. I respect a lot this club because I learned here how to really ride motorcycles.
Hi all. 

Thanks Rick, it's great to see a fellow member be happy to be part of this club, when things are good as well as not so good. My hat to you my friend.

Right on Alberto, you don't have to thank me. The members of this club thank you for defending this club so brave like you.


By the way, I believe on freedom and I think everyone is free to do anything with responsibility, of course. Resuming, for those riders that prefer don't ride Fernley anymore, we should meet at different track soon because I miss you guys so much!!!

[Team Gorgonzola]

By the way, I believe on freedom and I think everyone is free to do anything with responsibility, of course. Resuming, for those riders that prefer don't ride Fernley anymore, we should meet at different track soon because I miss you guys so much!!!

I am all for that!

[Team Gorgonzola]

Jason, there is ALWAYS a right and a wrong side of things. One can just rationalize, or politicize their choice so it can better fit in their lifestyle. If you had crashed at RFRT and they banned you, I would have been there with you to to cry foul. I know it is wrong and I don't give a damn if I could not ride there anymore because of it. I said it before and I will say it again. I don't need anyone to impose on me when and how to stand up when I see something wrong. I guess I wish there were more of us out there

[A DRAGON]

Me Too.  Balls are so are to find.   To busy looking out for themselves I guess. 

[youngster775]

I myself feel that this thread is once again headed in a downward spiral. everyone is entitled to their own opinion. in short, on behalf of the SSA, WE WILL NOT  IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, BE SUPPORTING  RENO FERNLEY RACEWAY UNDER THE CURRENT MANAGEMENT. at this time I want to encourage membership, not run people away by the events that have taken place. let's move forward and see what the future offers.  thank you   YOUNGSTER775

[A DRAGON]

  Now I know where this thread is headed