Fighting for our freedom of choice

[jlavallee]

That is why we need a political section. A place for those of us who want to voice our opinion. I hate the fact that "politics" is not an OK subject since it is critical to the survival of this nation.

Jerome, I got nothing but love for you man  but Obama has made the wrong choices on every decision he has made with the exception being maybe Afghanistan. Oh, and I was in agreement on his earlier decision when the pirates had hostages to allow the navy to make their own call and let the snipers do their job. Beyond that, he has proven to be easily one of the worst presidents in US history. And I thought Bush was bad...

About the only good that can come from Obama is that he might bring about a Reagan... If we could only be so fortunate.

Get political sections going and you can make your points for him. If there is one that can be logically argued for without basis on "feelings" or other liberal nonsense I'll be shocked and you'll make a convert of me. I've yet to hear a logical argument from the left, only comparisons to Palin, Bush etc... Two wrongs don't make a right.

I don't take anything personal, but I moved already because of socialism and after the US there is nowhere to go as the rest of the planet has been ruined by it. Many places are trying to revert but it's too late. Sure I've not seen it all but with over 20 countries under my belt I've seen enough to know that the US is/was as good as it gets and these idiots in government are driving us down the same path. History teaches us if we listen.

[n10sive]

Interestingly enough, it was Jerome that wanted to keep politics off this board. It has been suggested to have a political forum and it was rejected. So....it is what it is. Now...if you can get Jerome to agree, maybe we can start a political discussion forum.

[Adiggity]

   I honestly don't know the logical reason for a political section because you can never get either side to listen to the other. It really gets tiring trying to explain something so obvious. As you said Jason, History will teach us, but I think it will teach us if we are willing to find out what the facts are from it and not what we are being told by the liberal media and their agenda to report only what they feel is important for their political agenda. If people would do some research by what has happened in the history of the world, I'd be willing to bet there would be very few liberals out there. It has proven to ruin every single society it's ever been a part of. And we are on that path now. Still far from socialism but were getting there quicker than ever now. Obama isn't as scary as the fact that he was voted to be the President by the majority of America. That is way scarier than Obama will ever be. The mentality of the nation and the willingness to be so blind to reality.

Sorry n10sive. Don't ban me, pleeeease. 

On 2nd thought, Jerome, lets have a political section. What the hell.

[n10sive]

Hey...You're the SUPER MODERATOR. I am but a lowly moderator. I can't ban you because you could just override me

Buy hey...if you and Jerome want to keep this going...fine by me

[Shadow]

Here.


SB 435, as amended, Pavley. Vehicles: pollution control devices.
(1) Existing federal regulations require a motorcycle manufactured
on and after January 1, 1983, and exhaust emission systems for those
motorcycles, to meet specified noise emissions standards and require
that a label be affixed onto the motorcycle or exhaust emission
system indicating that the motorcycle or exhaust emission system
meets the noise emissions standards.
This bill would make it a crime for a person to park, use, or
operate a motorcycle, registered in the state, that is manufactured
on and after January 1, 2011 or a motorcycle, registered in the
state, with aftermarket exhaust system equipment that is manufactured
on or after January 1, 2011, that does not have the above label, and
would make a violation of this provision punishable by a specified
fine, thereby imposing a state mandated local program by creating a
new crime. The bill would require the person to whom a notice to
appear is issued, or against whom a complaint is filed, for the above
violation, to provide proof of correction. The bill would
authorize a court to dismiss the penalty imposed for a first
violation if the person produces proof of correction to the
satisfaction of the court.
(2) The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse
local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the
state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that
reimbursement.
This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this
act for a specified reason.
Vote: majority. Appropriation: no. Fiscal committee: yes.
State-mandated local program: yes.

[Shadow]

  I honestly don't know the logical reason for a political section because you can never get either side to listen to the other. It really gets tiring trying to explain something so obvious. As you said Jason, History will teach us, but I think it will teach us if we are willing to find out what the facts are from it and not what we are being told by the liberal media and their agenda to report only what they feel is important for their political agenda. If people would do some research by what has happened in the history of the world, I'd be willing to bet there would be very few liberals out there. It has proven to ruin every single society it's ever been a part of. And we are on that path now. Still far from socialism but were getting there quicker than ever now. Obama isn't as scary as the fact that he was voted to be the President by the majority of America. That is way scarier than Obama will ever be. The mentality of the nation and the willingness to be so blind to reality.

Sorry n10sive. Don't ban me, pleeeease.  

On 2nd thought, Jerome, lets have a political section. What the hell.

LOL definately there's some good read here. But maybe that's because I agree with most of what being said. lol Although as a administrator/creator of a local forum here. Discussions of politics and religion seem always to be the touchy subjects to have. Some readers may have a hard time controlling there emotions. But I would like to suggest if I may a "off topic" section?

[Shadow]

FYI They have moved the hearing time from Noon to 9 am. So the rally meet at the south steps will be happening at 9am.

[Adiggity]

Hey...You're the SUPER MODERATOR. I am but a lowly moderator. I can't ban you because you could just override me

Buy hey...if you and Jerome want to keep this going...fine by me

That's right! So don't threaten me boy. Now go get me a bagel w/ cream cheese. 

I think Jerome wants to keep this site for motorcycles only, but I do like the idea of an "off topic" section. It's nice to be able to have the option for our members if they want it.

Ok Shadow. I'll stop jacking your thread now.

Rally 9am.

[A DRAGON]

I really not sure about a political section. We can debate all day long but it seems people get out of hand with things like this. I'm really tempted to do such a thing. But the other side is we are a website for motorcycles. I'd like to keep it that way.

I think your political and religious views are always best some where else. We'll start off with good intentions but we know how things end up.

An off topic section will be something we can put up. But I'd prefer Politics, religion and sexual preference should be left out.
But it's still open for debate though. I guess if there was one that cited politics. So you'd know what your getting into before you get started might work.

Dale if you ban Andy first. He won't be able to get in to ban you. Unless he kisses my ass first to let him back in. Or Green Machine or Zak could help him out.  Because I don't like ass kissers.

[n10sive]

Because I don't like ass kissers.

Wait...so then how did GreenMachine get to be a supermod? LOL I keed...don't ban me

[jlavallee]

   I honestly don't know the logical reason for a political section because you can never get either side to listen to the other. It really gets tiring trying to explain something so obvious. As you said Jason, History will teach us, but I think it will teach us if we are willing to find out what the facts are from it and not what we are being told by the liberal media and their agenda to report only what they feel is important for their political agenda. If people would do some research by what has happened in the history of the world, I'd be willing to bet there would be very few liberals out there. It has proven to ruin every single society it's ever been a part of. And we are on that path now. Still far from socialism but were getting there quicker than ever now. Obama isn't as scary as the fact that he was voted to be the President by the majority of America. That is way scarier than Obama will ever be. The mentality of the nation and the willingness to be so blind to reality.

Andy, you hit the nail on the head there. The fact that so many bought into the lie that is Obama is scarier than anything else. I guess people followed Ghandi too so it just goes to show what marketing, propaganda and reverse Darwinism can do for a candidate. You actually have to give the Liberals credit as they’re not stupid in terms of tactics just full of ideas that don’t make any sense. A good way to put it is they employ logic when developing strategy but go with ideology on policy.

My view on it is that political discussions need to be allowed since they and contrasting viewpoints help everyone learn. Don’t agree with what I said above? Argue it. Maybe you can make me change my mind.

Yeah, anyone who believes that Obama is a wonderful president is either aligned with his ideological views and wants to force them on everyone or has been swayed by the media BS. You’ll never turn the ideologues but you can talk sense to the others. Nearly every university prof I had was a full on nutcase liberal as are the majority of school teachers (part of their strategy) and they always argue their point so those who are not inclined to be questioning types don’t. That is how they have been winning. They paint anyone who doesn’t agree with them as racist or extremist. That is how they have been winning.

Lies are how they have been winning. Keeping the truth from getting out is how they keep winning. Making the world a PC place where politics is not an approved topic is how they win. Unless you’re an ideologue who forces your ideas down the throats of others, why not allow open discussion? If liberal ideas are so good then why not debate them? The answer is that liberal policies (and many hard right ones) have no logical merit and they know it.

It's not like a section would be forcing views on anyone. I don't think that is cool at all. If it's not something a member wants to read or comment on, don't.

Personally, I don't care at all about race, creed or religion. Everyone is entitled to their own view as long as they don't impose their will on me. If a man wants to be gay, go right ahead, I couldn’t care less unless he pinches my ass. Politics however do force views and as such, we need to discuss them.

We're not just ranting on politics but politics as it relates to bikes. Do you honestly think that as a rider now mandated to have Obama care that being a motorcyclist won't affect rates? How about CARB putting fines on Dynojet? These revenue generating speed traps? The potential law that started this thread? They are all political issues and they all affect us as motorcyclists.

If a person can't read the section and not be personally offended by it then don't read it. If you can't be logical enough to take it and argue a point then either you just want to drink kool aid or you don't have an argument. Nobody is forcing you to read that section.

Giving up our freedoms is not something I think should be taken lightly. People who don't discuss and dig to the facts are doomed. In the end, we all end up loosers including the liberals who think they're winning but are really just too buried in idology to see the crisis that is caused by their policy.

Have I side tracked this thread enough yet? Being in Liberal Canada just makes me feel dirty and it's getting to me.

[cobra23]

jlavallee:

I like your statement there. Very wel thought out.

I have one thing to add.

Honestly Obama in the short run is not such a good thing, but in the long run, it will be a very long time before we elect a President with as short a public record as Obama's.

That is a totally objective statement, as I know by the laws of average, there must be some Obama fans on this forum.

He ran a great campaign, no doubt. However, I do not vote based on Campaign speaches, I vote on record. Truly I looked at his record before deciding which way to vote. I really found no record, so the choice was easy for me.

All American voters need to learn this. In the end I really think he will be as glad to get out of office, as some us are he will be leaving. I bet the next campaign the media starts looking as deep at the Democrat candidate, as they do the Republican. We are now tasting the progressive movement with our pocket books, I am reasonably sure we will not see it again for 20 years. If you do not believe this read a little history.

[jlavallee]

Ted, I hope you are correct. I pray you are correct.

Unfortunately, I don't think that is the case. We've let it go too far. Two more idiots on the supreme court will have effects for a lifetime when we could have been free of two had the voters thought about what they were doing.

America forgot the lesson of liberalism with Carter. They forgot again with Clinton and remembered in 94. Clinton moved away from the left ecnomically by force and got re-elected. America made the correct of two bad choices with Bush and he should of been impeached for the Patriot Act, not the crap the left hates him for.

In an act of overreaction spurred on by the media foolishnes along with the "feel good" notion the they were somehow proving they were enlightened Obama was elected. That makes at a minimum 9 bad terms of president. None of whom honour the constitution.

Each time laws like Obama care or the Patriot Act happen we all loose a bit of the fiber that made this nation unique. No other nation was like the USA. Sure it was not perfect but we have the ability to improve it. The core fundamentals were solid. Conversion to socialism happens because good people let it happen. You give an inch, you loose a mile.


I'd of never have believed what I have seen in the last two years. I watched it happen in Canada and trun that country into a socialist sh*thole. Twice in one lifetime is too much to handle.

I hope you're right and people learn from this but until we get the truth out there people will continue to be too lazy to read anything, learn anything and just get their opinion from hollywood and MSNBC

[Team Gorgonzola]

Well, I guess most, if not all of you are conservatives.  I am in between. Firstly Obama got voted in because he said he would change things. People was tired of having an idiot as president (just you-tube "W" and you'll see what I mean) and wanted a change. He is changing some things but the Washington political machine is geared towards the giant corporations and the super-rich. Thus is all but impossible to change it. If I was elected president (was not born here so....) I would march the National Guard to Washington and I would kick all the lobbyist out. Than I would start anew. Our banking and financial system are designed to enrich the ones at the top, enslaving everyone else; from the upper-middle class to the poor. We are all to busy paying bills, bring home food and worrying about our future to really pay attention to what is really going on in our capital. Do you think that is by choice?? "W" and the Cheney/Rumsfeld gang did nothing but line their own and their friends pockets with financial de-regulation and even an unprovoked and unjustified war. Extreme capitalism is just as bad as socialism. The past administration lied and lied and nothing ever happened to them (it never does). Consequently the populace wasn't going to have another 4 years of that s**t. It's all about the mighty dollar, who has it and who want it. I don't see any romance in it.
If you have an open mind and a bit of time watch this:

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Is a three parts documentary talks about religion; the American banking/financial system and of course 9/11.
At the very least is very interesting.

[A DRAGON]

Thanks Allen for all of this.....

Yo Diggity and Jason you know how I feel. I totally agree with Team Gorgonzola.  If it's so bad Jason the fire department, Police Department are all government controlled. They seem to work out OK.

I think Obama is one of the best presidents we've ever had.

All The Republicans did was make it easier for the rich to get richer and keep from paying their fair share of taxes. I can't believe you don't see that. Had wall street regulate it self. You see what that did for us. Some one has to regulate these people. BP was able to regulate themselves. Again we the working class get screwed again. If you did have the research you said you did you would be able to see. Stop wasting your electricty on Fox News and Rush Limpbaugh. You'll understand better.

I watch Fox news during the Oil Spill on day. They kept saying Obama should wait till BP gets the spill plugged. Then go after them for damages. Because he's hindering  them from plugging the leak. Then they said Obama did go after them soon enough when the Oil spill first started. That's seems pretty stupid to me.You want Obama to take action but he needs to do it after their done.  BP has a history of not paying out for damages. Didn't you watch 60 minutes? He's already guaranteed 10 Billion dollars will be available. NO Republican president has the balls to look out for the working man. They owe to much to the lobbyist.  Obama has already put a stop to all this lobbyist money. Do you think they want him to get reelected? Of course not. They have to many working class citizens That only do what Fox News says to do voting and telling them their bad for America. They use scare tactics like their going to let the terrorists take over this country. How stupid do they think we are. I can't believe some people really think that. Their transforming this nation into socialism. Making comparisons to Ghandi. I take offense comparing Obama to Ghandi. That's what they say to get you to think you had better only vote for their candidate

. Those are scare tactics. Don't be silly enough to believe them. Isn't that what Ghandi said about the Jewish people. They need to develop their own race was next. Then the whole world was bad except them. Isn't that what you were saying earlier. The USA is the last place. Every where else was bad. Funny I don't see people coming over in droves to the US.

Mexicans are just trying to get away from their corrupt government. If we would fix the problem with the Mexican government that would fix the problem. Mexicans coming over the border illegally is the symptom not the problem. The US don't want to do anything to fix the corruption because they are making to much money in Mexico. Exploiting the poor. Then you say they have a choice of weather or not to work for these people or not. They don't have a choice they need to eat. And everyone around them is all paying the same. Their are no laws requiring them to pay a descent wage or offer insurance for their families.  That's why I won't shop at Walmart. They pay them minimum wage they show them how to get government assistance. You condone that when you shop there.

George Bush Senior gave a tax cut to the Middle class. I heard the speech my self. No one told me. He said it. "Those making between  $150,000 and $300,00 a year. That was 18 years ago. I know it's much more by now. For some reason just because some people make over $50,000 a year people think their middle class. YOUR NOT YOUR WORKING CLASS THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU. THEY JUST WANT YOU TO THINK YOUR MIDDLE CLASS SO THEY FEED YOU ALL THIS PATRIOTISM LIKE THE GUN LAWS TO CAUSE A DIVISION AND YOU SWALLOW IT. You don't see none of their kids working beside you. Or fighting on the front line. If we are all for equality. Why don't you see very many minorities in their Political party. The Tea Party allows to many racist things to unchecked. Like comparing Obama to Ghandi.  Funny how the KKK and Skin heads are all Republicans. None are Democrats. Why is that? I know why.

Aren't the Republicans the ones saying Don't push your ideas off on me. I want to govern myself.  Then why aren't they pro-choice.  A woman don't know what's right for themselves. Don't give them a choice.

Mandatory health insurance is going to be OK. Look how Mandatory Insurance for your car is working out. I'd trust Obama to get it right before I'd trust another Bush.

Try watching 60 minutes are some other news channels like CNN or MSBC or CBS or ABC.  Fox don't have all the right answers. Oh I'm wrong They say they are the right. It's not true That's just what they say. Remember Bush was saying the trickle down theory is the answer. Trickle means not very much. That's just what we got.

I'm not looking for any hand outs just a chance to get the same breaks as everyone else. I did OK in my life. But remember this when your saying some people are just looking for hand outs.   If Jesus Christ was standing next to you. Would you still say you shouldn't try and help your fellow man? Or say Jesus were going get ours with the trickle down theory. The rich will do the right thing.  He was hoping for that. You see what they did to him. And they got the working class to turn him in and said they did it for them.  The bible has a good message too. You should try and read it. Try and follow some of the things they are saying. Like love your brother. 

No Disrespect intended here. Just something to help you see. I've seen it long time ago. I'm going to look after my fellow man every chance I get.

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