track day at rfr

[Team Gorgonzola]

If you write it on this website, it's libel, really.

Anyway, to everyone who doesn't care about this BS, I'll see you at RFR for some good times.  To the others, I hope I get to ride with you at another track this coming season.

Dub is only libel if the claim is false; for example: saying on the other board, that one of our member (including the name) stole from the club is libel (defamation of character). You should probably police there and make sure is not happening. Every single thing mentioned in my posts are the simple truth. You might call it BS, I call what's going on on the other board BS, so I guess is a perception issue. At least I refrain from going there and make smart-ass remarks about it all. The reason why this discussion is going on is due to the fact that, some people feel the need to tell us, what's right or wrong and to let it all go. We are entitled to our opinion, and last time I checked, free speech was still legal. If the club (SSA) members (real ones including the execs) want me to stop they have but to ask.....all the others...well let's try to keep this clean people!!!

The aforementioned opinion, doesn't  necessarily reflect the position of all the members of this outfit....(just quite few of them)

[dub]

Um, Ok.  I was trying to make a joke about slander being spoken and libel being written because it was used incorrectly on the previous page.  I should have picked up on the fact that this thread is far to serious for teh jokes.

I'm going to go ahead and slowly back away from the keyboard now.....

[Team Gorgonzola]

Do you feel lucky....Dub!  Do you??!!

I totally missed the joke, I should have known better...still friends?

[A DRAGON]

You know it's so funny.  People get on this subject and always say don't take this personal.  Some say someone could double penetrate their  Mother and it's  OK with them.  Please have a back bone.  Stand up for something and don't just give your money to criminals.  Just because they have a track day that's cheap.   I hope your parents raised you better than that.

Exxon  did a lousy job of cleaning up the Alaska coast after the oil Spill.  And you still buy their gas.  Wow!!!! Not me.  They will never get my money unless their the only one around and if I don't  fuel I'll be walking.  Then I'll buy their Gas.

Walmart has been cited for countless violations on their workers.  Making billions of dollars and still paying their people minimum wage.  Showing them how to apply for government assistance.  Walmart will not get any of my money either. 

SSA has been a big supporter of that Track From day one.  They had No Providers scheduled last year.  And SSA Stepped up big.  Now this is what we get in return.  No.    I don't need to ride any track that bad.  If you disrespect my Mother you really disrespect me.   But I absolutely will not ride at RFR  in 2011.  Their are to many Track out there that want my business.   

[Captain]

RIGHT ON MAN! THANK YOU FOR YOUR LOYALTY  

I really didn't think of it as loyalty, ie choosing sides or anything like that (maybe that is what it has become...loyalty?).  It is that I have ridden with SSA.  I have had a real good time with and great experience with and riding with Jerome and Trinie and many other great peeps that I met and rode with hanging a knee along side the SSA brotherhood!  You guys have always been there for me: hazards on the road, cop check warnings, track day assistance and advice, lunch, etc.  You guys are my friends and I really like being around you, your the greatest, keep up the great job! 

I will be faster and quicker this year!  Here I come, ride with me!

Char

[jlavallee]

You know it's so funny.  People get on this subject and always say don't take this personal.  Some say someone could double penetrate their  Mother and it's  OK with them.  Please have a back bone.  Stand up for something and don't just give your money to criminals.  Just because they have a track day that's cheap.   I hope your parents raised you better than that.

Exxon  did a lousy job of cleaning up the Alaska coast after the oil Spill.  And you still buy their gas.  Wow!!!! Not me.  They will never get my money unless their the only one around and if I don't  fuel I'll be walking.  Then I'll buy their Gas.

Walmart has been cited for countless violations on their workers.  Making billions of dollars and still paying their people minimum wage.  Showing them how to apply for government assistance.  Walmart will not get any of my money either. 

SSA has been a big supporter of that Track From day one.  They had No Providers scheduled last year.  And SSA Stepped up big.  Now this is what we get in return.  No.    I don't need to ride any track that bad.  If you disrespect my Mother you really disrespect me.   But I absolutely will not ride at RFR  in 2011.  Their are to many Track out there that want my business.   

Jerome,

This is why I wanted details. Anyway, I'll talk to you guys later and see what the story is. The examples you used about Exxon and Wal-Mart don't do anything for me. They both do what they're required to do under the law and that is all you can expect. Wal-Mart doesn't owe an unskilled worker squat because they make money. If that worker doesn't like the pay then they can go elsewhere. I fully support your right to believe that socialist agenda where the world should be divided evenly but just like nobody has a right to tell a person they can't be gay, you have no right to force your beliefs on others either. Wal-Mart doesn't OWE a worker anything beyond the contracted wage. As a free man, you have every right to not shop there and as a free man, I have every right to want a better price as a result of not wasting money on unskilled labor.

If you had a verbal contract that is one thing and is entirely separate. I'll stand by that. Hurt feelings are not the same thing. I was just trying to determine what this was.

[Team Gorgonzola]

Jason, a lot of it is about how it all went down. The blaming, canceling dates, the unjust disrespectful treatment, constant bashing, and underhanded practices of the other group and finally, not allowing SSA to pursue it's own track days. I don't dispute that all of that is other people prerogative and choices. You label Jerome's walmart debacle, socialist agenda, [hardly] I call it "upholding standards and regard for the human condition above all, especially profits"....pretty dam remarkable if you ask me and something that should be taught in school, not stifled. Yet I respect your choice and opinion, I am not trying to ridicule it or make you look like an insignificant little men (be hard to do anyway LOL) because I don't like your point of view. What really piss me of, is when someone come on my board and tell me MY choice of not wanting anything to do with the local provider and RFRT, is silly or bs and I should get over it. Jason, I know you like the rational approach, but if there had been rationality in all of this, there wouldn't be another club and we would be doing track-days as we always have. Instead emotions dictates most human interactions so here we are. Talking about butt-hurt?? The other group wrote the book on that subject  

[n10sive]

Can we please stop saying the "other group", as the other group itself is not bad. I think you more correctly should be saying "other PEOPLE". There are plenty of good people in the "other group" that have nothing to do with this track day squabble. In reality, there are other GROUPS out there that split off from the SSA over the past and I don't see them being targeted anymore. So how about we keep this about track day differences as I am sure there are people in "THIS GROUP" that wish to stay clear of personal politics and internal squabbles also.

[GreenMachine]

It's a little cold out there, but I'm going for a ride. 

It's good to read some of this getting aired out in a respectful adult way.  That may be why I'm a member here.

[n10sive]

...Talking about butt-hurt?? The other group wrote the book on that subject  

Your rhetoric is going a bit far Alberto. The "other group" has never thrown a member off of it's board. You are even welcome there. On the other hand, this board has thrown everyone off that does not conform to a few of this clubs ideas. There is no one here to debate you since the dissenting parties have all been banished. Much like other repressive countries do today. This is just another reason the other club formed and SSA lost a lot of it's membership. Trying to be real here at the risk of being thrown off the board. There is a shared amount of "butt hurt" going around on both sides to kill the passion of a lot of Reno sportbike riders who just don't want to be involved in this anymore.

I would respectfully ask, that since there is no one here that cares to have this debate anymore except for yourself and a select few (same can be said for a few at the other club), that it be done somewhere else so as to not cause any further embarrassment to members here, and there, who just want to go ride.

These forums should not be used as a soap box to slander, libel or otherwise bring shame to it's membership.

It's all right to be passionate about something, it's another to sound bitter and angry.

Cheers my friend.

[Team Gorgonzola]

Can we please stop saying the "other group", as the other group itself is not bad. I think you more correctly should be saying "other PEOPLE". There are plenty of good people in the "other group" that have nothing to do with this track day squabble. In reality, there are other GROUPS out there that split off from the SSA over the past and I don't see them being targeted anymore. So how about we keep this about track day differences as I am sure there are people in "THIS GROUP" that wish to stay clear of personal politics and internal squabbles also.

Fair enough.

[Scott]

Can we please stop saying the "other group", as the other group itself is not bad. I think you more correctly should be saying "other PEOPLE". There are plenty of good people in the "other group" that have nothing to do with this track day squabble. In reality, there are other GROUPS out there that split off from the SSA over the past and I don't see them being targeted anymore. So how about we keep this about track day differences as I am sure there are people in "THIS GROUP" that wish to stay clear of personal politics and internal squabbles also.

Fair enough.

[Rick Bay (BRA)]

As a member, I like to read the good news and also the bad news of the Club of my heart. I respect a lot this club because I learned here how to really ride motorcycles.
Hi all. 

[Team Gorgonzola]

 Well that is not the entire truth but only a selective part of it.

1) Your rhetoric is going a bit far Alberto. The "other group" has never thrown a member off of it's board. You are even welcome there. On the other hand, this board has thrown everyone off that does not conform to a few of this clubs ideas.

A) "No one has never being thrown out of there", that's true, especially because none of our members ever went on your board and started inflaming threads, kept on provoking the rest of us, with never ending extremely stupid arguments, and negative comments, like "the other people" kept doing and thus a ban ensue (I believe 4 people were banned then some were reinstated). Let me also mentioned that these "other people" were the ones that left the club but kept coming here to keep the criticism going. More over, I did for awhile signed up there, to argue against some remarkably low mud slinging an outright lies that were posted for everyone to see. No one did nothing until I got involved. Then the thread was censored, including my side of the story. I then left and sporadically monitored the site.

2) There is no one here to debate you since the dissenting parties have all been banished. Much like other repressive countries do today. This is just another reason the other club formed and SSA lost a lot of it's membership. Trying to be real here at the risk of being thrown off the board.

A) There is no one here to debate me because most of us, left here, have similar opinions about what happened, and what we believe to be the truth. Beyond who wanted to leave; the membership migration happened because the "other people" went out on a which hunt as well as a smear campaign by unsolicited email, (one of our members showed one to us, yet it has been denied by "the other people" it ever happened) and any other means they could find, and convinced others to follow. No official rebut, was this club position (and higher ground in my opinion), so the mudslinging and lies continued. "Repressive country" Well if that is not rhetoric I don't know what is. Anyone has enjoyed unlimited freedom here for as long as I've been a member of this club and, before the other club formed, NO ONE was ever banned that I am aware of (Alan was banned as he left his post then came back to advertise, without permission, his own track-day, in direct competition with our own). I was the one who advised it. All the bans were totally justified in my eyes.

3) I would respectfully ask, that since there is no one here that cares to have this debate anymore except for yourself and a select few (same can be said for a few at the other club), that it be done somewhere else so as to not cause any further embarrassment to members here, and there, who just want to go ride.
These forums should not be used as a soap box to slander, libel or otherwise bring shame to it's membership. It's all right to be passionate about something, it's another to sound bitter and angry.

A) There was no debate here until someone brought it with them. You don't like bans or censorship, so what would you have me do? I will not be silent while I am been lectured about what is right or wrong, especially by individuals that can't be objective as they try to extract profits, from dealings with the very parties I believe to be at fault. In case there's doubt, this is the wrong place to drum up business for anything RFRT and the local track-day provider. I know I am not speaking just for myself. I am pretty sure, that IS, the official position as not only we were lied to but also treated like second class riders. I don't believe I bring shame to the SSA membership for stating my case...but please, if anyone think so, send me a PM and we'll discuss it.
Perhaps there should be a place, in the forum for this, were we can all sound bitter and angry when we need it. (yep, that's me)
Note: I am extremely happy with my life, family, work and everything else. When it comes to this situation though, bitter and angry is an understatement.

[Team Gorgonzola]

As a member, I like to read the good news and also the bad news of the Club of my heart. I respect a lot this club because I learned here how to really ride motorcycles.
Hi all. 

Thanks Rick, it's great to see a fellow member be happy to be part of this club, when things are good as well as not so good. My hat to you my friend.